Mine is an original Vanguard I and it hits where its pointing out to 350 yards. While the two loads offered by Nosler are capable of covering a lot of hunting territory, I wanted to see how bullets of other weights would perform in the Long-Range Carbon with its 1:8.5" twist. In 2004 I hunted caribou in Canada, and because two bulls could be taken legally, I took along two Remington 700 rifles, one in 7mm Remington Magnum, the other in 6.8 SPC. 130 Grain; 140 Grain; 150 Grain; 160 - 165 Grain; NOSLER. It's not well known that Nosler built its own barreled actions in-house for many years before ever making its rifles available to the public. Nosler M48 Mountain Carbon Bolt Action Rifle .27 Nosler I then lowered the ram and turned in the die just enough to force the RCBS Rock Chucker press to cam slightly over center when the ram was fully raised. Eventually, that zesty factory velocity underwent a practical adjustment to 3,060 fps, and 150-grain bullets at about 2,900 were added for use on bigger game such as elk. Due the slight weight difference between the two, along with the stiffness of the PROOF Research barrel, once the rifle was sighted in the thread protector and the brake could be interchanged with no effect on zero. Short and fat, it is extremely efficient. It winds up being a handload or pay way to much per shootzen gunm. Everything considered, 130 grains has proven to be the ideal bullet weight, although I have often moved up to 150 grains when in elk country. There are some absurdly slick 7mm bullets available now of very high quality. However, when loaded with a 165-grain ABLR, the good old .270 Winchester holds its own much better. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. I wont go through all the math, Ill just give the number I have in my notes: About 1208. H4831 is a good starting point, although slower powders sometimes deliver higher velocities with 150- and 160-grain bullets. H4831 is still the powder to beat, although it does have plenty of competition today. MTH carved its smallest groups with 0.035" of jump, and that put cartridge length for it at 3.402". Sign up for daily stories delivered to your inbox. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. I was right. Still a great rifle. Pressure-tested data came from Nosler, Hodgdon and VihtaVuori. 27 Nosler Rifle Cartridge; 28 Nosler Rifle Cartridge; 30 Nosler Rifle Cartridge; 33 Nosler Rifle Cartridge; Team Nosler. Don't miss a story! Joseph VonBenedikt is with Joel Hodgdon to talk about the improved accuracy and long-range potential of the already reliable Core-Lokt ammo line. Mag. Dividing this by 0.06026 gives a bit more than 1128. Havent seen many of those for years. COPYRIGHT 2023, WOMG. You have entered an incorrect email address! Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. I suppose if you wanted to shoot antelope at 1200 yards, this is the ticket. Nosler M48 Long-Range Carbon Sniper Grey Bolt Action Rifle - 28 Nosler - 3+1 Rounds. But more guns are chambered in .270 both past and present so good luck unseating a round people are familiar with for almost 100 years. All above is from memory. Heres how it performed. Could be wrong. Thoroughbred .270-Caliber: Nosler Model 48 Long-Range Carbon Rifle OConnor was also right about powder and bullet weight. An all-out, full-throttle kinda cartridge, it pushes that 165-grain ABLR bullet at an eyebrow-raising 3,150 fps. bullet. Its not just a repurposed .270 WSM with faster rifling. Comb height also proved to be a comfortable fit with the lower mounting of the relatively small Nightforce scope I used when shooting the rifle. So when we look across the spectrum of cartridges, it isnt just the diameter of the bullet (or bore) were talking about, it is also the amount of powder were trying to burn and then shove down the bore. Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. Others opined that its high velocity would be too destructive on steaks and chops. Being able to use Lapua brass would be a plus. Mine weighs 5.25 pounds, and a Swarovski 3-10X scope in a Talley lightweight mount adds only about a pound. (possibly NX8 4-32) Hoping for thoughts and ideas Jun 16, 2021 #2 N NK Hunter Member Joined Jun 16, 2021 One was this insane .300 RUM necked down to 6.0 mm with MV in the 4000 fps range. To comply with the new e-Privacy directive, we need to ask for your consent to set the cookies. Sniper's Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range . Also, need to know if anyone would have a Reamer who could chamber a Remage barrel in 27 Nosler. All New Model 21 Rifles by Nosler Reactions: Yote Klr. Lets explore some comparisons, crunching numbers against traditional .270 Winchester loads, and then adding 7mm Rem. Based on the 404 Jeffrey Same case as the 30 Nosler When compared to the 28 Nosler, the 27 Nosler has a longer neck and a shorter length to the shoulder to prevent the 28 from being chambered in the 27. The G1 ballistic coefficients (BCs) are 0.500 for the 150-gr. The Model 21 is built by riflemen, for riflemen and provides exceptional reliability and packable precision to any huntwherever that may be. The 26 Nosler came first in 2014, followed by the 28. Mag. The 27 Nosler is not presently offered in the Model 48 Long-Range with its all-steel barrel, but since the other Nosler cartridges are available in it, the 27 Nosler is likely to follow eventually. 27 Nosler 150gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Ammunition, 27 Nosler 165gr AccuBond Long Range Trophy Grade Ammunition. Seems like you'll be trying to burn a lot of powder in a .277 bore in a fairly short distance. And, last, the 1-8 twist rate in the .27 Nosler will stabilize longer and heavier bullets, making it a very viable elk and moose cartridge. For instance, the chart below shows the stark contrast between the performance of the 27 Nosler and the other popular .277" cartridges. His other creations waiting impatiently in the wings are the 27 Nosler, the 35 Nosler, and the 36 Nosler. Probably half the felt recoil for the same bullet weight. I came here to praise the .270, not to bury it. Average maximum velocities for 130-grain bullets were 3,158 fps for the .270 Win. For the regular sportsman type person, thats probably a lifetime. I love my 27 Nosler. Shooting flatter and with more downrange energy that a 270 Weatherby is quite a deal. Nosler's new Model 21 rifle provides a rare combination of reliability, precision, and portability not often found in hunting rifles. Imp., .300 Win. Locating the shoulder datum point of the 28 Nosler case a bit farther forward lessened the odds of that happening. Your mileage will vary, according to how you treat your bore, how hot you let the barrel get, how hot you load your ammo, etc, etc. in the hands of Americas hunters. Pass. The primary drawback is that to shoot those sleek, high-BC bullets that give the .270 new life, youll have to handload. My guess is a barrel life of 1500 rounds tops. Mag. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. The Weatherby accuracy guarantee is really Howas guarantee, and theyre assuming a 3-round group, which tells you that theyre going to choose a group out of several that will suffice. The Mossberg 500 Pump Action Shotgun is one of the most popular home defense shotguns on the market. That costs money, and thats part of why Dakotas price is up there. The Model 700 I used to take a caribou had a 20-inch barrel and was a preproduction rifle built specifically for that hunt. The result is an offering from Nosler that redefines performance as radically now as the 270 Winchester did upon its introduction in 1925. Both should shine in this cartridge. .458 Winchester Magnum History: The Complete Story, SIG Sauer P365 Pistol Now Offered in .380, 5 Best Long-Range Hunting Bullets Available Right Now, Springfield Armory SA-35 Pistol: Rebirth of the Browning P-35 Hi-Power, Casting Your Own Bullets for Lever-Action Rifles. would i need to change the bolt face? Area of the bore is 0.04676 in^2. And why did they go with the odd bullet diameter of 0.277 inch when 0.264- and 0.284-inch bullets had been extremely popular in other countries for quite a few years? I only sold it because I wanted one caliber of rifle and settled on .308 for several guns. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. Averages for 150-grain bullets were 2,926 fps and 3,085 fps respectively for a difference of 159 fps. This article originally appeared in Vol. Im going to pull the case capacity for the .27 Nosler from the .26 Nosler and the .28 Nosler, which Im seeing is about 94 grains. | You can also use our Rifle spec builder and create the gun of your dreams and get a pdf of all of the details emailed to you. The case has been shortened significantly to allow adequate head height for extremely long, aerodynamic bullets. Until recently, the bolt (r.) started as an investment casting and was then machined to its final dimensions, but it is now cut from 4140 bar stock. A Pachmayr Decelerator pad does a good job of soaking up recoil. 800-741-0015. If i were to build a rifle chambered in 28 Nosler, would my action from R700 chambered 7mm Rem Mag work? A faster-than-standard 1-8.5 twist barrel design allows the 27 Nosler to propel Noslers factory-loaded 150gr AccuBond and 165gr AccuBond Long Range bullets (new for 2020) at never-before-seen velocities and distances in 270 caliber. Join F&S+ to read exclusive stories by your favorite writers. Nosler may as well rent out space in every Dicks and call it Fudds R Us.. Renault, I remember reading something about that. 1:8.5 The 27 Noslers faster-than-standard twist barrel is designed to stabilize modern, long range bullets. Carbon-wrapped, stainless-steel barrels with cut rifling made by PROOF Research are shipped to Nosler where they are chambered, headspaced and installed onto Model 48 actions. Head height is the distance from the mouth of the cartridge case to the tip of the loaded bullet. the 27 Nosler drops 11 less than a 270 Win and 7 less than a 270 WSM. The 6.8 SPC is rated to handle 80,000 psi of chamber pressure and will drive a 135-grain bullet from SIGs Hybrid Match cartridge, with a .488 G1 BC, 3,000 fps from a 16-inch barrel, and produce 2,694 ft.-lbs of energy and SIGs 277 Fury Hybrid Hunting load features a 140-grain bullet with a .508 G1 BC, launching from a 16-inch barrel at 2,950 fps. The G1 BC for that bullet is 0.662. That changed somewhat after Bruce Hodgdon introduced military-surplus H4831 in 1950. The bolt would close and lock up on a case, but the fit was a bit too snug. It makes much better use of a long action and still keep the bearing surface ahead of the shoulder/neck junction. Other rifle makers will take years to jump on board. If they do, this cartridge will drop steeply in price and would become widely available (once military obligations are met). Theyre cool on paper but I dont know what Id do with them. Besides loving big bore rifles, I like barrel burners too. Many hunters of my age find it difficult to think of a cartridge loaded with a .277" bullet without the name Jack OConnor coming to mind. Thanks for the welcome and the insights. In my rifle, one of Noslers M48s with a 26-inch carbon-fiber barrel, the 150-grain AccuBond bullets registered an average muzzle velocity of 3129 fps. According to Nosler, with the 150-gr. As one of the great general-purpose big-game rounds of all time, but one with no competitive accolades, the .270 couldnt keep up and has fallen on hard times. If you study ballistic form factor at all, the .277 is lagging behind both the 7mm and 6.5mm as far as efficiency for a given projectile weight. Soon thereafter, Remington added the 6.8 chambering to the Model Seven, and during the following years, it was available in several variants of the Model Seven and the Model 700. Nosler M48 Long Range Carbon Rifle in .27 Nosler Just a year later, Browning and Winchester Ammunition collaborated and have just introduced what may be the most practical modern .270 cartridge yet. High ammo cost, that or investment in a reloading tools. Neck length increased only slightly after cases had been pounded by four full-power firings. I'm doing Bartlein instead of Proof and running a different brake, action, and scope, but using GW stock and bottom metal etc. Lets talk about the .223 Remington and the .22-250 Ackley Improved cartridge. The Model 70 is my bluebird weather rifle, and the Model 700 is for rainy-day hunts. Jul 1, 2019 #4 ; Thats right, i forgot. Fully prepped, Nosler premium cartridge brass in 27 Nosler will be available in 25ct boxes. in every department. Conceived as a 21st century upgrade, the 27 Nosler delivers previously unobtainable downrange ballistics by pairing the ultimate combination of case capacity with modern long-for-caliber bullets. Theres already a cartridge that would do all this: the 7mm Dakota. Registration on or use of this site constitutes acceptance of our Terms of Service. It took about an hour to get down from our perch and climb up to him. Tom, Cooper said we already have all the calibers we need. Gunsmithing - 27 Nosler | Sniper's Hide Forum accuracy guarantee. (Note: These were handloads, so the factory velocities might be different.) Custom left handed 28 Nosler setup-ARC/Manners. 28 Nosler build - 24hourcampfire 27 Nosler Build 165 NLR accubond 3200 fps - YouTube The Shilen match grade barrel features a threaded muzzle (1/2-28 or 5/8-24 Tpi) for suppressor adaptation and also includes a knurled thread protector. (https://www.tactical-life.com/gear/ammo/277-sig-fury-hybrid-case-design/). Loaded with a 150gr bullet, the 27 Nosler has an additional 800ft/lbs. In those days the few firearms writers working regularly were big fans of the .30-06, and little positive mention was made of the new upstart. Desert Ghosts: Hunting the Elusive Coues Deer, 8 Great Options For The Left-Handed Shooter, Best New Thermal Optics from the 2022 SHOT Show, What To Do When Your Rifle Breaks While On a Hunt, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. 1) Cartridge? To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. When first introduced, there was quite a bit of speculation on how much faster it is than the .270 Win. Each piece is chamfered, deburred, checked for proper alignment and sized and . when both were loaded to the same chamber pressure. This cartridge, loaded to potential, is well into overbore status . This doesnt do anything a dozen other chamberings cant do. The barrel twist on our previous .270sthe Winchester, Winchester Short Magnum, and Weatherby Magnumis 1:10. This begs the question: What heavy bullets are we talking about in .277? Sep 12, 2011. Founded by Frank Galli in 2000, Snipers Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to its users in one location. But that sweet spot right in the middle is part of the reason the .270 Win. The biggest challenge would be making sure the pilot for the reamer is engaged in the bore before it starts cutting the read end of the chamber. Nosler has introduced the 27 Nosler, a 27-caliber cartridge based on the "fat" .404 Jeffery case, same as the .30, .28, and .26 Noslers. Wish I were younger27 Nosler with 180 grain Woodleigh weldcorethat would be my elk load. We found him bedded in some tall cedars near where hed been feeding. If needed, 27 Nosler brass can be formed from 30 Nosler brass. Mag. As a result, bullet manufacturers have never made high-BC bullets in .277 diameter (the actual size of .270 Win. 6.5 mm PRC, .280 Ack. when the cartridge was introduced in the Winchester Model 54 in 1925, and during the following half century or so used the .270 to take big game in various parts of the world. Why did its designers neck down the .30-03 case and not the slightly shorter .30-06 case, which had replaced it 19 years before the .270 Win. Share: Facebook Twitter WhatsApp Email Share Link. The New Nosler Model 21 Lightweight Hunting Rifle Features Custom Feel Designed from the beginning to use the new .277 caliber 165gr AccuBond Long Range (.620 BC), 27 Nosler rifles used a faster 1:8.5 rifling twist rate and took the performance of the .277 caliber to the next level by allowing for the use of extremely high BC bullets in a .277 caliber cartridge. 27 Nosler Ah why not? What we need is better bullet launchers. But I have hunted enough with other rifles chambered for his .270 to know it to be capable of doing anything that can be done with a rifle chambered for one of the 7mm Magnums. As the name states, the 27 Nosler uses .277" bullets like the legendary .270 . Lets go back to the known barrel burners .22-250 AI. I eventually shot enough game with the cartridge to learn a thing or two about its performance. I have one, and Im quite impressed with what I got for the money. I have not kept an accurate count of the game bagged with the .270 WSM through the years, but I have taken enough to become convinced that all things consideredincluding recoil and performance on gameit might just be the most useful member of the WSM family. Expanding bullets of monolithic construction often shoot more accurately when seated for plenty of jump, and that makes those from Barnes, Hornady, Nosler, and others logical options for rifles with freebored chambers. Case capacity is about 47 grains of water, more or less depending on case manufacture. The Sako-style extractor plucked fired cases from a dirty chamber without missing a beat, and the spring-loaded plunger ejector propelled spent cases through the port smoothly and with great authority. Enable Accessibility. Conceived as a 21st century upgrade to existing 270 calibers, the 27 Nosler delivers previously unobtainable downrange ballistics by pairing the ultimate combination of case capacity with modern long-for-caliber bullets. Maybe this one will take off, I hope so because it does have s lot going for it. The 95 year-old .270 Winchester cartridge? Posts: 1,224. With a little dish soap, we can get the water to form a flat surface across the neck opening. For that reason, there are not a lot of options for hunters looking for a really long, heavy, high ballistic coefficient .277" bullet. Whats old is new again. Live Chat Live Chat. Nov 8, 2006. Fun fact for all the bUt jACk OcONnor!! Time will tell. If you want to use 26 or 28 Nosler dies, you will have to build a 27 wildcat instead of a SAAMI 27 Nosler. | This results in best-possible ballistic performance with minimal powder usage, maximum consistency in velocity, and impressive performance at a modest price in recoil. Rifle Builder - RW Hart and Son What has to be the most bullet-proof animal in North America took one 140-grain bullet behind its shoulder at 160 yards and immediately went down for the count. It still wears the Weatherby 3-9X Supreme scope in a Buehler two-piece mount that came on it. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. Note that while Nosler's proprietary cartridges (to include the 27 Nosler), and the rifles they're available in, are capable of excellent accuracy at long range in the right hands, they're designed primarily for big game hunting, not for competition shooting. Your rifle will still shoot any and all standard .270 Win. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. I would hold my breath on the Nosler, for now anyway. Contact Nosler, Inc.; Tel. Theres reason to be hopeful for the future of the .277-inch caliber. Apr 27, 2022. beetroot. Ive shot it for 25 years. Lets call the start of the overbore region to be about 1100, just for the sake of discussion. for the Long-Range Carbon. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Jorge Spat to learn all about it. Wind drift at 1,000 yards is within a half-inch. If you want to use 26 or 28 Nosler dies, you will have to build a 27 wildcat instead of a SAAMI 27 Nosler. In addition to the heavy-for-caliber Nosler ABLR, Browning introduced a new 175-grain .270 bullet in its Long Range Pro line. If data for the two cartridges in a particular manual were developed in barrels of different lengths, I compensated by adding 25 fps per inch for the shorter barrel. Nosler has used several different triggers through the years, and this one has a fully adjustable Timney with a two-position safety that, when engaged, allows the bolt to be rotated for loading and unloading the chamber. While it is 13 ozs. Soon after the A-Bolt was dropped from production, I spotted a new-in-the-box Mountain Ti in .270 WSM at a gunshop at a drastically reduced price and could not resist bringing it home. The 7mm Dakota is a beltless magnum (just as we see here), based on the .404 Jeffery cartridge, with an OAL of 3.330. Under a hundred yards gets a little high (right at 3) but I can figure that out pretty quickly. or the massive 27 Nosler. For old-school hunters like myself, I included the grand old Nosler 160-gr. RCBS reloading dies are also currently available for the cartridge. HSM, Federal, Nosler, and Weatherby offer .270 Wby. The New 27 Nosler and .277 Sig Fury Are Creating a .277 Cartridge Comeback Uniformly round holes in paper targets indicated stability with all bullets tested. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. Rifle Build | Nosler Reloading Forum You are using an out of date browser. It's no question that our line of award-winning production rifles raise the bar for what is considered "standard" in a factory produced rifle and it all starts with . Not as bad of a transition as I thought. The knock on easy-to-carry bantam rifles is that their slight build and thin-walled . Custom? Enough of this funereal diatribe, however. BTW, water capacity is found by filling up a cartridge case with water with a little bit of dish soap in it to get the water to not form a water-tension dome on top of the neck. 6.8 Western: Ultimate Guide To The New Cartridge From Winchester From the postWorld War II era right up to the early 2000s, the .270 was a colossus among big-game hunting cartridges, a mighty twin of the immortal .30/06. By the time you read this, Nosler should have factory loads rolling off its machines. Nosler guarantees minute-of-angle accuracy for three-shot groups with the companys ammunition, and the 150-gr. The 28 Nosler is a long, long range rig with 26-inch barrel. Maximum diameter of the rebated rim is 0.534", or the same as that of the .300 Win. So 8 rds. Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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