Isaiah would sleep and he would scream. BARBARA HARRIS: I'm not saying that these women are dogs but they're not acting any more responsible than a dog in heat. Okay, I'm here. He actually named his daughter Lacerta, which is a genus of lizard. And were trying to think about how do we keep it the same in a lot of ways, but also how do we let it grow into something beyond what it was originally built to be. Barbara tried to get a law passed requiring just that. Females seem to hate laying eggs in the water, but is that the end of the story? ROBERT: [laughs] "This may hurt you my son, but I'm doing it for my grandchildren.". And that advantage, whatever it was, because it starts with one individual, and then it gets passed onto the kids, and then onto their kids, it would take a long, long, long time to spread through the whole population because, generally, that's how evolution works. She said, "Thank you so much for the gift, I bought my son an excavator truck, remote control and some summer outfits." ROBERT: [laughs] We now know that thats not the case. Like. Is it a big town? All these women who have so many babies and never try to seek drug treatment. CARL ZIMMER: She carries your kids for nine months and you're like, "That poor male toad.". Kalia came too. PAT: You picked him up right from the hospital? Stretching got into the baby. I think that's where Lamarck's ideas can be woven in and make some sense. Take a look, explore and subscribe! ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: This could mean sterilization, it could mean getting an IUD.]. That was nice. You know? Since birth. That was amazing. And um PAT: Doctors would later explain to Barbara that Destiny's mom had been addicted to drugs while she was pregnant. [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: Barbara Harris's solution is simpler than anything else out there. I do mean that. It might be a mixture. Barbara says they've reached out to her many times but they never heard back. Like, mine are bigger, you know." Honestly, I think it never seemed like she was anything but my real mom, if that makes sense. It means what if grandpa has a bad day? LYNN PALTROW: The women who I've worked with, who've had a history of drug problems, aren't like the examples that she gives. So. a rat mother licking her baby can have such a profound effect, basically change the expression of the genes in the baby, well that's hopeful. Its gonna get messy. CARL ZIMMER: But there were a lot of skeptics. JAD: So, in the end, where do you come down on this? That was the implication, except Kammerer tried to defend himself by saying "Do you think I'm a Dummkopf, or an idiot, because that's what I would have to be if I left a forgery with ink standing around openly in the laboratory where so many of my enemies would have entry?". Here, Kammerer's was saying, "You can do this even on a physical level.". PAT: And according to Barbara, the majority of the women she pays are white. SAM KEAN: The sperm carries these marks to the next generation. I guess retard. These are four kids from the same birth mother? Each stone represents a radioisotope by means of a. A lot of times that's not the case. The critical part of this JAD: Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. It was something they acquired during their lifetime. Radio Lab: Into the Brain of a Liar March 6, 2008 We all lie once a day or so, according to most studies. JAD: His big idea, as you might know, is that what a person does in their lifetime could be directly passed to their kids. PEJK MALINOVSKI: And we have a lot more grain here. Oh, that's a lot of potatoes. You know, when smart people say, you know, "There's no such thing as nature and nurture it's only interaction of the two," You're like, "What the hell does that mean?" I just got custody of my eight-year-old son. MICHAEL MEANEY: That's it. BARBARA HARRIS: I already knew that if I ever got a little girl, I was going to name her Destiny. Who are they? The critical part of this Is that all these changes wake up this little gang of proteins. You can imagine these toads are like, "Dammit, fine. Yeah, there you go. KARIN BORGKVIST LJUNG: Jans Olaf, Hanna Kaiser, Heinrik Venvei. That kind of 30 years? And she's a complete nut. JAD: Wait, when you say they can choose to be sterilized, you mean permanent? I initially felt very hopeful and excited about this research because it seems to suggest that a body, one body can respond to an environment and change and be flexible in a way we didn't think was possible. And if you were eating a whole lot between 9 and 12, one-quarter. Once a kid is born, their genetic fate is pretty much sealed. So that's fun. And I knew that the only way I was going to get a daughter was if I went and became a foster parent and asked for one. Four or five steps later, we are in JAD: So almost instantaneously, the mother's tongue has reached into the baby's brain cells. When Kammerer published his results initially, a bunch of scientists immediately began to say "Wait a minute, hold on here, it would be nice if life was like that but life isn't like that. 10 Controversial And Thought-Provoking 'Radiolab' Episodes. CARL ZIMMER: He was mighty skeptical. I asked Barbara about some of the things that she'd said because, to be totally honest, they kind of turn my stomach. PAT: And as soon as she got there to pick him up, she could tell that something was wrong. PAT: Barbara has this drawer in her desk. Just don't have any more children because, at that point, I didn't really know any of them. You just haven't evolved for this and there's no way you can, at least not quickly. Yeah, like you can help them overcome you. Who are you? Here's what Olov says he found in the data. PAT: For me, this whole story really shifted PAT: When I started spending some time with Destiny, Barbara's 22-year-old daughter. At once and we're watching 40 litters at a time. PAT: Have you ever had someone call or write you and say that they regret their decision? These women don't just have one and two babies. Copyright 2022 New York Public Radio. Assuming that you can survive the ordeal, and you grow up, and you have kids of your own, the data seems to say that your kids will benefit from your suffering. Kalia came too. Kick off certain hormonal systems. PAT: And all over the political spectrum, from Hollywood lefties to social conservatives. ], [ARCHIVAL Clip, News: To any drug-addicted woman who will agree to have no more babies. PAT: Destiny says one day, she and her mom were in the car, and her mom said DESTINY HARRIS: She said, "I don't know, you know, maybe they'll grow bigger? He was known for going around and giving, what he called, his big show lectures, where he would wow whole audiences of people. I'm so proud and I have four years clean. If you start smoking when you're 10, 11 something like that, you end up having children with more problems. LYNN PALTROW: Well, her explanation is that these women are having, in her terms, litters of damaged babies and society forever will be responsible for them. PAT: She actually emailed me afterwards and adjusted that number down a couple hundred. In any case, these books tell you when each of these folks died, how they died. So were getting close to the moment of truth, because there it is. Like Id be like, Weve got the keys, were gonna trash the house., LATIF: Anyway, we think about that all the time and I was just talking to Lulu about that and she was just like, You know, theres a radiolab about this.. Baby, be careful. On the one hand, she says, immediately, cheques started arriving. ROBERT: Although, you know, sometimes that your grandfather's suffering helps you. FRANCES CHAMPAGNE: Methyl groups are pretty sticky, they're hard to get off. She said, "Well, she's just beautiful and she has lips like a baby doll." I said, "This will be the last one. All right, I'll get in the water." I wouldn't want to put it up to chance, because what kind of life is that? You can do this. You can't change your DNA. I'm graduating in December. Wow. His famous example was giraffes. I had asked for a newborn, so when the social worker called me, she said, "I have this cute little baby girl for you but she's eight months old. US $53.6 Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for VCM II Main Cable VCM2 16pin Cable VCM 2 OBD2 Cable VCM ii IDS V101 Data Cable at the best online prices at Free shipping for many products JAD: Well think about it, this is nature and nurture slamming into each other. CARL ZIMMER: He's not just talking about toads anymore, he's gone way beyond toads. Environmental Biology Radiolab - Inheritance Due to Haiku by Monday March 3rd Name: Dmitry Matveev Date: Serotonin gets into the brain cells, and according to Michael unleashes A whole series of molecular events inside the cell. JAD: See, this is the story of science that doesn't get told. The lady knew why we were there. These people are paying millions of dollars to take care of your children!]. JAD: Don't you see, somehow the mother's tongue is getting all the way down in there and going [mumbles] and messing with the baby's DNA. And then they're going to basically revel at that particular spot and turn on that gene. I had everybody's abuse on my back and I didn't care how we said it, or how we did it. Meaning that they had less incidence of heart disease? JAD: People can't just will themselves into a more perfect form. Or is it? MICHAEL MEANEY: Yes. CARL ZIMMER: The right hand had been cut off for microscopic slides. It says, "Race of Supermen." By Recode Staff Updated Oct 25, 2017, 12:01am. I guess the way I would look at it is that you can change your environment a lot more easily than you can change your genes. And as of 11:01 a.m. on Tuesday, when were recording this, we have not broken the show. I mean, I'm married to a Black man. MICHAEL MEANEY: Known as transcription factors. Its something I still think about all the time. In my naive mind, I didn't have a clue what a big deal this was. JAD: You can imagine these toads are like, "Dammit, fine. BARBARA HARRIS: Because he couldn't hold formula down. I'm Carl Zimmer's daughter. Inheritance, what you can move on to the next generation and what you can't. It's off-limits. JAD: Do you have any theories for how this tongue is tickling the DNA, or whatever it's doing? We went to the foster home and went in. ], This could mean sterilization, it could mean getting an IUD.]. 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